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Voices of Reinvention: The Stockton Highlights Part 1 - Transcription

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Eric Estrada: [00:00:00] Welcome to Voices of the Community. I am your host, Eric Estrada. This episode is part one of a highlight compilation from our 2019 series from Bankruptcy to Reinvention, the City of Stockton. This episode has been remastered and features interviews with change makers that helped reinvent Stockton from the wreckage of the past.

Eric Estrada: Join our host George Koster and our co-host Nick McClendon as we highlight the voices and discussions that transformed Stockton. Our first voices are Tasha Dixon, Michael Tubbs' aunt, Racole Dixon, Michael Tubbs' mother, and Barbara Nicholson, Michael Tubbs' grandmother, as they discuss Michael Tubbs upbringing.

George Koster: So yeah, where did it come from? The whole idea of giving back, getting engaged in the community?

Tasha Dixon: Well, I guess I need to say to start from church, um, we're very involved with community involvement. We love to serve. We're servants. That's what we always say. We're [00:01:00] servants first. You know, we're always here to help others.

Tasha Dixon: So we always would go out and do community work, like go feed the homeless or uh, gather clothes and give to a church that's giving it away to people in need. You know, that was our passion.

Racole Dixon: And we're also very humble. That's very important. Yes. Just to be humble. Yeah.

George Koster: That's from your faith.

Racole Dixon: Yeah. And the personality too.

Racole Dixon: Yeah.

Barbara Nicholson: Yeah, because even while the, um, my girls, my daughters were going out serve being servants, you know, working within the community with the homeless and, you know, the poor, they also had their children when they were young, uh, doing the same thing. Like they would go to nursing home minister there, uh, out on the streets, um, serving, you know, serving meals with different organizations.

Barbara Nicholson: So we started that with them, uh, at a young age. Young age coming up.

George Koster: So they got a real sentence that, you know, is important to give back.

Barbara Nicholson: Yes. Right? Yeah. Yes.

George Koster: And to your point, the [00:02:00] humility of giving back without getting recognition.

Barbara Nicholson: Exactly. Exactly.

Tasha Dixon: That's been, and that's one thing I love about my nephew, is he doesn't want the recognition.

Tasha Dixon: He just does it and really don't wanna be, you know, thanked for it or, and then we're giving high praise. He doesn't like that.

George Koster: When you decided to run for city council, what was your reaction to that?

Racole Dixon: No! No! That's right. Come back to Yes. Go somewhere to make some money.

George Koster: Yeah. And the many conversations I've had with people and um, this is my 10th conversation in the last three days.

George Koster: You know, he was driven to,

Barbara Nicholson: he was, we knew it. Yeah.

George Koster: And again, I, I think that comes back to the fact that, you know, he started in a young age back.

Racole Dixon: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

George Koster: But that's so true. You wanna get back. Yeah. You just wanna

Racole Dixon: get back to the city. You know, I made it so I'm coming back to help you make it.

George Koster: Yeah.

George Koster: What do you feel has been his biggest impact so far as a, as a [00:03:00] city council person leader?

Racole Dixon: I think being a role model, you know, younger kids could see him and like he's young and he's a city council. He was born, you know, he was raised up, not in a,

Barbara Nicholson: raised up, not having everything, giving unto them to him, but you know, knowing that it, you have, it takes far work.

Racole Dixon: Yeah. And right, so he's a motivator. He just remind kids that you can make it no matter what age you are, you know? Yes. I'm 25 years old and I'm a city council, so if I can do it, you can do it.

George Koster: The whole idea of being a role model to youth in the community.

Racole Dixon: That's correct. Yes.

Tasha Dixon: Not only you though, to adults.

George Koster: I, I was just gonna say that. That's exactly, that's my impression.

Tasha Dixon: Yes. Everyone.

George Koster: If he's running for mayor now, what would you ultimately like to see happen with regards to his political goals, but also more importantly, his community? His desire to do more for the community of Stockton? [00:04:00]

Barbara Nicholson: I would just like for the whole community to put aside the differences.

Barbara Nicholson: But to come together and to unite here in Stockton and work together with him so that his vision that he has for the city, you know, is something positive that it'll work out on behalf of all the people of Stockton. But we have to, he can't do it alone. They have to come together with everyone, you know, that way.

Eric Estrada: Coming up next is our co-host Nick McClendon and his interview with Dr. Rebekah Fenton, pediatric resident at Seattle Children's Hospital.

Nick McClendon: This is Nick McClendon. I am Sheer with Rebecca Fenton and in Seattle, right?

Rebekah Fenton: Yeah, so I'm originally from Sacramento and then basically decided that I'm obviously kind of a different part of the West Coast and so came here for residency with my husband and I'm doing a pediatric residency at Seattle Children's.

Nick McClendon: Awesome. Now. We here in San Francisco [00:05:00] are doing a interview series on Michael Tubbs and his mayoral candidacy, his campaign, and his reinvention of Stockton movement. How well do you know Michael?

Rebekah Fenton: I did very well. We met actually freshman year of college. It felt like we had lots of mutual friends and everybody on both ends were just saying like, you need to meet that person.

Rebekah Fenton: And then Corey. But we had the Respir class that need to do the first quarter and freshman year where we ended up not only being in the same class but also in the same section. And I kind of, at the end of it was just like went I to him saying, do you know this person, this person, this person? I've heard from all of them that I need to meet you.

Rebekah Fenton: So, hi, my name is Rebecca, and from there is where our friendship began. He shared very similar passions as I do as far as education, just improving the communities that we come from. And so I remember very early on being very. Impressed by that and wanting to do anything that I could to be [00:06:00] able to support some of his missions, and it's been so great to see how he's accomplished that since then.

Nick McClendon: How early on did he hit you with these big ambitions to sort of change or just even the aspirations of the reformation of society around us, if you will, from Michael?

Rebekah Fenton: Yeah, so from a ideas perspective, it was immediately like the things that he would comment about during our section were always related to ex his experiences, particularly in Stockton, as well as kind of the hopes that he had for communities and how he would hope to implement those.

Rebekah Fenton: But as far as practically was also quite early. I remember messaging him over our first Thanksgiving break and asking him, oh, what are you up to? Expecting answers like watching TV or hanging out with friends. And instead he writes, I'm gonna help kids apply to college. I said, oh, that sounds cool. Like I wanna help thinking that it was gonna be some kind of small scale, just, you know, a couple of friends helping, um, a couple of students and instead he shared with me this [00:07:00] vision that he had for the Phoenix Scholars.

Rebekah Fenton: And from there I was involved immediately.

Nick McClendon: So, and that's how you know Michael is through Phoenix Scholars. And can you tell us a little bit more about Phoenix Scholars?

Rebekah Fenton: Sure. So basically the Phoenix Scholars is now a nonprofit that basically is based at Stanford, where Stanford students, our trainee fellow students to serve as mentors for students with low income backgrounds.

Rebekah Fenton: Many of the students that we help are the person, their families who go to college, and we basically recruit them at the end of their junior year, support them through the entire application process, selecting colleges, applying for scholarships. And we've had the success of having all of our kids go on to four year colleges and many of them receiving significant financial aid to be able to support those efforts.

Rebekah Fenton: And so that started from that very simple Facebook message of I'm helping kids apply to college. Michael Tabs inspiration was the fact that he actually was on message board as a senior in high school. Looking for help as far as wanting to apply to EY colleges [00:08:00] and having the grades to be able to do so, but being in an environment where many kids did not go on to Stanford and so he didn't have teachers around him who understood what that.

Rebekah Fenton: Process looked like and what your personal statement should really include and things like that. Um, he ended up reaching out to a counselor who offered through online to basically read his essays, help him through the process, and he was so impacted by that and certainly it turned out so well that he not only went to Stanford but was also Coca-Cola scholar and received multiple financial.

Rebekah Fenton: Offers and scholarships that he wanted to be able to give that fact to other students like him. So we basically recruit students from all over California, many of who do not come from communities that are not college going, recognizing that we shouldn't be limited by who's near us, and the fact that many students have a phones and access to the internet, that we can be able to provide that same support no matter where they are in the state.

Nick McClendon: How important do you think it is to come back, like Michael, and where do you see Michael fitting in? Along our state's, mayors or [00:09:00] government.

Rebekah Fenton: Yeah, I think that impact is tremendous. I think that there's nobody who knows a community better than somebody who came from that, and I. De certainly, there's always well-meaning people who wanna go into areas that they have no experience being in before.

Rebekah Fenton: But I think having both the passion as well as the experience just can't be beat. And so that's why I think Stanford as a whole has been so proud of Michael for going back into Counciling and are very excited and disappointed. I, we hope Kiki accomplished as a mayor.

Nick McClendon: Any other stories outside of his campaign or even off campus that you know of Michael?

Rebekah Fenton: Yeah. Um, so one thing I love is actually use his, uh, personal statement that he wrote for Stanford as inspiration for many students because I actually. Come probably much more privileged background. My father's a physician, my mom is a nursing professor, and so for me, the inspiration to work with the communities that we, um, helped with Phoenix Scholars was recognizing that my parents were actually first generation college students and I [00:10:00] recognized how different my life looked from their life growing up just because of the fact that they were able to go to college.

Rebekah Fenton: And so my hope is to be able to give that same experience to the students I'm helping so that they will literally have. Generational impact because of having a college degree. So I often share Michael's story just as inspiration for them of recognizing that here's somebody who comes from similar communities to you, where Michael's mom did not have a college degree, and he grew up recognizing that she had the skill levels to be promoted, but was often held back because of not having a degree.

Rebekah Fenton: And in addition to that, Michael's father was actually incarcerated for most of his life, and he met him for the first time at 11 years old. And so in his personal statement for Stanford. He talks about the fact that his father told him, as a black man in this country, you have two options. You either are dead or end up here.

Rebekah Fenton: And I feel like there's often any this sense that that's the only options that we have. And Michael certainly could have internalized that having grown up in that environment. And instead he decided to become exactly. The opposite of what his father kind of projected his future might be, [00:11:00] and basically tried to seek all the opportunity his mother was not able to have, and uses that inspiration to talk to other students about the fact that he calls it like the poem by Tupac, that Rose that grew from concrete.

Rebekah Fenton: This idea that you could become beautiful things from these very troubled and challenging environments. Continue.

Nick McClendon: That's awesome that you know that. I was definitely gonna, I want to be, one of my questions to ask you is what that poem meant to you. I'm really glad you're familiar with it.

Rebekah Fenton: Yeah. And he does a, uh, camp every summer in Stockton that I wish I had the opportunity to be involved in, where he basically helps students from the community, it's kind of a leadership program for them and really inspires them to recognize it.

Rebekah Fenton: Even as a teenager, they can have a huge impact in their environment and kind of making a difference. And so I think that poem is huge inspiration to that because often just there's this, uh, assumption that young people can't accomplish much, and I think Michael's whole life story proves the opposite.

Rebekah Fenton: And I'm so glad that he uses themselves as an example and really empowers kids to do the same.

Eric Estrada: Coming up next is Nicholas Hadden, founder and [00:12:00] executive director of the San Joaquin County Pride Center.

George Koster: So what became the mission of the Pride Center?

Nicholas Hatten: So initially the mission was just having a safe space.

Nicholas Hatten: And we thought that the community would come and be served in our four walls, and we quickly realized that wasn't the case and that what our primary responsibility was, is to influence our community to shift their perception of LGBT people and create their own safe spaces. You know, I can't raise enough money to have a Pride Center in Lodi and Tracy and rip where it's needed even more so than in Stockton.

Nicholas Hatten: Stockton is like the urban hub, very progressive democratic population, but it's cities like Escalon, cities like rip, you know, where we, you hear of isolation, where it's really needed and the conservative values, the agriculture values, uh, of this area still reign. And so we reached out to school districts, we've reached out to churches in those cities and we've found [00:13:00] individuals who are supportive of the LGBT community and we just.

Nicholas Hatten: Work with them to encourage further acceptance. One of the first school districts that we did a sensitivity training at was in Linden. Now, you know, if I were to go to Linden School board, I probably would get laughed out of the room. But educators get it and educators understand that you need a safe space for everybody in order for children's education to thrive.

Nicholas Hatten: And so we've been welcome and really successful in buildings as coalitions.

George Koster: Is there a drive within your organization and the community at large to try to secure more government foundational funding to. Execute your mission and the requirements.

Nicholas Hatten: Definitely. You know, and we have been engaging in negotiations with the state public health, and we're on eve of getting funding, substantial funding from the state, and Michael Tubbs was very helpful in us securing that.

Nicholas Hatten: We had a tour with officials here at the Pride Center. I, I had a bunch of [00:14:00] people lined up to speak and at the last minute I was like, there's something missing. There's something missing. And I called Michael that morning and said, could you be here at 1:00 PM? And he changed his schedule and was here and spoke on the need to support our community and.

Nicholas Hatten: It can be tough sometimes for African American community leaders to stick their neck out and and be supportive of the LGBT community. And if you look at some of the ugliness on social media towards Michael, there's always this tinge of homophobia and I think it's because he is willing to stick his neck out and be supportive.

Nicholas Hatten: And so we're doing things like that. We're also using the LCAP process through our school districts for school funding and we've been very successful. We were able to get so unified. To earmark a hundred thousand dollars for LGBT sensitivity training, the first school district in the state of California, by the way, to put specific LGBT language in their lcap.

Nicholas Hatten: More progressive than San Francisco, more progressive than Los Angeles. I'm very proud of that, and that was our lobbying and working with parents, working with [00:15:00] students. And, and going to the school board, going to the committee meetings and, and making the argument that we need to fund, you know, sensitivity training for our educators.

Eric Estrada: We're halfway through our powerful conversation from our 2019 series, from Bankruptcy to Reinvention, the City of Stockton. You have heard from the voices of Tasha Dixon, Michael Tubbs' aunt, Racole Dixon, Michael Tubbs' mother, Barbara Nicholson, Michael Tubbs' grandmother, and Nicholas Hatten, founder and executive director of the San Joaquin County Pride Center.

Eric Estrada: Thank you to our incredible sponsors and listeners like you for supporting voices of the community. Stay with us more Highlights ahead. Voices of the community is made possible by generous support from the Zellerbach Family Foundation dedicated to ensuring vibrant work is created. New voices are celebrated, and diverse communities have opportunities to thrive. Learn more at ZFF.org

Eric Estrada: Voices of the Community is also [00:16:00] supported by the Peaceful World Foundation, fostering a culture of global peace through hosted conversation and education. Discover more at peacefulworldfoundation.org. Welcome back to voices of the community where today's conversations are from our 2019 series on the reinvention of Stockton and how the city provided an opportunity for city leaders and residents to clear away the wreckage of the past and reinvent their city.

Eric Estrada: Let's continue the discussion. Coming up next is Fred Shield, administrator of Stand Stockton, taking action to neutralize drugs.

George Koster: So, and on my conversation with Michael yesterday, he had mentioned the liquor store that you guys were able to just close down. Yes. You can share a little bit about the liquor store and then I understand you have the first right to do something with the liquor store site.

Fred Sheil: There's the liquor store, and then there's a large vacant lot just north of it. There are two separate issues there. The large vacant lot is owned by the city. It's a redevelopment [00:17:00] project. That the city now has to dispose of that vacant block, and we have been given, because of our success with the housing in the neighborhood, the city's gonna allow us to have exclusive negotiating rights for that parcel over the next six months to put commercial, retail, maybe housing.

Fred Sheil: Now, the liquor store just south of it has been a 15 year disaster just to show how. Blinded what community can be about something that's embarrassing here. You gotta look. Your store that's been operating for 15 years, when you go in there, I won't even bow to describe it, but I'll tell you is when people go through the line and they ring up your purchases, it's thing in the character just opens.

Fred Sheil: But nothing gets recorded on a tape. There's no sales tax charged. If you're buying returnable bottles, there's no CRV charged. If you're using your food [00:18:00] stamp card, your EBT card, nothing gets recorded on that. How can a business operate without paying a recording or having the documentation for all these different taxing entities from the franchise tax board to the county, to the city?

Fred Sheil: There's so many regulatory bodies there. Only way that kind of operation can go on is because those authorities that are responsible do not give a holy hoop. And the drug trafficking went on and the drug dealers inside the store, at least we're trying, but nobody bothered to enforce it. It wasn't that big hollow.

Fred Sheil: As long as it was there, it was okay. That's the message that the neighborhood gets. And when the neighborhood complains, all the city fathers and mothers go, well, why don't you just get your act together? We were literally told that Pat City Council meetings, well they're not responsible. [00:19:00] Well, and said it repeatedly that one of the best things that happened to this city was bankruptcy.

Fred Sheil: 'cause with bankruptcy, we had a new city manager and he brought in new city department heads. And with that, a new culture. And the old actors, the old business interests, and I include unions as part of a business interest. They've had to step back 'cause they're the ones that got us into the mess between the housing developers and the unions that they brought along with him and bought 'em out and co-opted him.

Fred Sheil: They've had to go, okay, well it wasn't nasa, it wasn't now. So they've had to quit playing politics. And those, and so that process, now you're getting decisions made at city level that are for the whole city. They're looking at everything involved, not just pockets where individuals want the city to basically cover and favor them.

Fred Sheil: Why? At that same time, Michael decides to run for office [00:20:00] and becomes the city councilman. So now he's subtly got a whole new group of high level staff to work with. That really understand. We got some good people. Our city managing out is really good. And this is coming from some, I'm gonna say this publicly and it's gonna, 'cause I told all the city staff, I have been a huge critic of the city for the last 20 years.

Fred Sheil: Tremendous critic. Staff have been controlled and manipulated and have done nothing for these poor and older neighbor has changed. I'm a huge supporter of the city now. And they're doing great stuff. I sure hope it continues. And I give them all the support and all the credit in the world because they are addressing the issues.

Fred Sheil: They're looking at the issues, they're being honest about the continued poverty down here, the continued lack of commercial development, and they're working with us are they've given us everything they want. No, because they still gotta deal with the whole city, [00:21:00] but they're being fair and they're giving us a chance.

Fred Sheil: And because of that, things are getting done and the attitudes are changing to the neighborhood. Has it changed everybody? No. 'cause it's a lot of resentment. I mean, you can't just, there was a grand jury report that came out last year. I don't know if you started with, there was two of 'em. One was AB about the complete lack of code enforcement in the poor neighborhoods for the last 50 years.

Fred Sheil: Just allow the slumlords to have willy-nilly and then blame it on the neighborhoods for being so rundown. And the other one was just the absolute lack of investment and lack of attention to South and east stock and the grand jury, just Lambda and city council and city staff basically said, yeah, it's true.

Fred Sheil: That's you're right. Where in the past city councils before the bankruptcy would've been, no. Look at the long list of things we've done. And then [00:22:00] you could lay out a whole bunch of thousands of teeny little details and make it sound like. You've really done great things when in reality it was just all pretend up.

Eric Estrada: Next is Dylan Delve, co-founder of Little Manila Rising. And I think people in Stockton, you're just used to that.

Dillon Delvo: You just figure that's the way it is.

George Koster: But really your moral bankruptcy of the Crest Town south of the Crest Town freeway. Yeah. The city and its leaders, et cetera, morally bankrupted in that it was just an underserved, almost abandoned area.

Dillon Delvo: Yeah, and it's the leaders, but also definitely the developers. As well. I think part of the marketing of development at the time, you know, both to in the 1960s, seventies and on was, you know, these developers would build on land. It used to be farmland and it was all to the north, and so they really changed the perception of upward mobility in Stockton, in that upward mobility in Stockton means you gotta live up north.

Dillon Delvo: And so a lot of folks who [00:23:00] knew, grown up and lived life maybe found the one, the person that they married, the idea of community kind of formed their idea of communing and everything. In order for them to be considered successful in Stockton, you had to move up north and you had to buy into their property, right?

Dillon Delvo: And so one of the things that we always talk about is like, well, we were kind of misled. We, rather than building community, we buy into community. And the people in our community who have, well, the richest people in our community are the people who created those conditions in Stockton, right? It's affected the mindset of our young people and that I just need to get out of this place, right?

Dillon Delvo: So constant, you know, brain drain from South Stockton to even the other communities or just to North Stockton, that this is a place for the poor. And then, you know, this is a place for upwardly mobile. And although these folks have profited greatly from it, there has been no reinvestment. Into the communities that they have hurt the most, or whether it be, you know, building, afford affordable housing or [00:24:00] building anything new in that area, or just donating.

Dillon Delvo: Right. And I think that's probably the biggest issue, one of the biggest issues that we have in that as we engage in other communities as a nonprofit, we're trying starting to learn how other nonprofits survive. We don't have the same culture in our community of philanthropy that other folks do. Uh, other cities do.

George Koster: Thank you.

Eric Estrada: Lastly, we have Jasmine Dellafoss, senior regional organizer with the Gathering for Justice.

George Koster: And where would you like to see it go? Your vision going forward? You've been at this for three years.

Jasmin Dellafoss: Yeah.

George Koster: Which I'm sure seems like a lifetime.

Jasmin Dellafoss: I know.

George Koster: Where would you like to see it go? Because obviously you're starting to really get some momentum in the community itself and getting ownership from the community members.

George Koster: What are some of the resources that you would need to make that happen?

Jasmin Dellafoss: God, it's such a big vision. I want to be able to see kids walk down their street and play because they deserve to. I want to see kids graduate from high [00:25:00] school and be eligible to go to college because they deserve that. Right? I wanna be able to say for those who.

Jasmin Dellafoss: Think that college isn't an option, but they're career ready by the time they're graduating high school and that they have opportunities to go into these career fields would be amazing. I envision more safe spaces in the community to be easy access for them. What I'm hoping is that our young folks who we are really engaging with and training up would.

Jasmin Dellafoss: Venture off to college, but remember to come back and serve their communities. And we hear so often young people tell us, I'm gonna come back and do what you're doing, or I'm gonna come back and run for city council because I wanna change when my city, you know, we hear kids saying, I wanna get into the health field because I want to be able to [00:26:00] serve and open up clinics and urgent cares in my community.

Jasmin Dellafoss: I've heard our young people say they want to come back, and even now they're beginning to work on a restorative justice program that would be able to help young people seek help from trauma at a young age. And so for me, I think if we can do all that and provide opportunities like that, that is what I'm hoping for.

Jasmin Dellafoss: This leads to that. People would understand that collaboration is important and partnerships and that if we can put. Whatever aside to serve our community, we could be a lot farther. And I think our coalition has done a great job in really bringing all different kind of folks to the table and really knowing that collaboration is important.

Jasmin Dellafoss: And so I'm hoping to see that citywide.

Eric Estrada: That concludes part one of our highlight episode from our 2019 series. [00:27:00] From Bankruptcy to Reinvention, the City of Stockton. A special thanks to our guests, Tasha Dixon. Racole Dixon, Barbara Nicholson, Rebekah Fenton, Nicholas Hatten, Fred Sheil, Dillon Delvo, and Jasmin Dellafoss for their insights on reinventing Stockton.

Eric Estrada: Visit voices of the community.com and go to the Stockton's Rise from bankruptcy series to explore more about our guests and their respective organizations along with how you can get engaged in supporting their work. While you're on our website, we invite you to visit our archive of past series. Sign up for our newsletter, and click on the donate button to help us create episodes like this and receive awards like the 2025 Alliance for Community Media Foundation, hometown Media Awards for best informational talk show.

Eric Estrada: Stay tuned for part two of our highlight compilation from this series. And stay tuned for our next series making The Invisible Visible as we amplify the voices of our unhoused neighbors and the people [00:28:00] and organizations that support them.

Eric Estrada: Today's episode was made possible through our co-production partnership with KWDC 93.5 fm, the home of San Joaquin Delta College's Digital Media. We also want to thank both Ariana Bragger and Leo Marquez of KWDC for all their wonderful support of this special series.

Eric Estrada: A special thanks to our host, George Koster and Nick McClendon. And thanks to Kasey Nance from Citron Studios for the graphics, magic voices of the community is made possible by generous support from the Zellerbach Family Foundation.

Eric Estrada: Dedicated to ensuring vibrant work is created. New voices are celebrated and diverse communities have opportunities to thrive. Learn more at ZFF.org. Voices of the community is also supported by the Peaceful World Foundation, fostering a culture of global peace through hosted conversation and education. Discover more at peacefulworldfoundation.org.

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